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		<title>By: rajbot</title>
		<link>http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2006/12/27/my-mbp-returns-home-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7909</link>
		<dc:creator>rajbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason AppleCare is so horrid is probably because Steve has never had to use it. I wrote earlier about how &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2006/05/24/apple-engineers-should-use-applecare-instead-of-on-site/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apple Engineers should use AppleCare instead of OnSite support&lt;/a&gt;. Things won&#039;t change until then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason AppleCare is so horrid is probably because Steve has never had to use it. I wrote earlier about how <a href="http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2006/05/24/apple-engineers-should-use-applecare-instead-of-on-site/" rel="nofollow">Apple Engineers should use AppleCare instead of OnSite support</a>. Things won&#8217;t change until then.</p>
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		<title>By: peliom</title>
		<link>http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2006/12/27/my-mbp-returns-home-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7902</link>
		<dc:creator>peliom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Saturday!!!!  This morning I had the joy of spending 77 minutes on the phone with Apple Support.  After the trip to Texas my MBP is now making &quot;a noise&quot; ... yes, a noise ... something like the fan is hitting something or something.  I got to describe in detail the noise until the poor support dude handed me off to a &quot;hardware specialist.&quot;  The specialist said &quot;unfortunately, you know the drill&quot; ... and set me up with &quot;The Box&quot; ... This time I had them the box the work so I don&#039;t have to deal with DHL weirdness.

As a sidenote, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apple.com/support/contact/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Contact Apple Support&lt;/a&gt; page has a place where you can type in your mac serial number to find out if your machine is covered.  For kicks I typed in my MBP serial number and they had the purchase date wrong and said it wasn&#039;t covered!  It took another 20 minutes on the phone to get that fixed.....

There is no lolipop, no free software, no replacement machine, no free upgrade, no even coupons for music from the stupid iTunes Music Store ... just a promise that in *two weeks* I will have my machine back again without this stupid and highly annoying broken fan noise.

I like to giggle and think about what Steve Jobs would do if this kind of thing happened to his Mac Book Pro.  I can&#039;t even begin to describe it ... this is a family website :-)  Suffice to say he would be really, really, really mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Saturday!!!!  This morning I had the joy of spending 77 minutes on the phone with Apple Support.  After the trip to Texas my MBP is now making &#8220;a noise&#8221; &#8230; yes, a noise &#8230; something like the fan is hitting something or something.  I got to describe in detail the noise until the poor support dude handed me off to a &#8220;hardware specialist.&#8221;  The specialist said &#8220;unfortunately, you know the drill&#8221; &#8230; and set me up with &#8220;The Box&#8221; &#8230; This time I had them the box the work so I don&#8217;t have to deal with DHL weirdness.</p>
<p>As a sidenote, the <a href="http://www.apple.com/support/contact/" rel="nofollow">Contact Apple Support</a> page has a place where you can type in your mac serial number to find out if your machine is covered.  For kicks I typed in my MBP serial number and they had the purchase date wrong and said it wasn&#8217;t covered!  It took another 20 minutes on the phone to get that fixed&#8230;..</p>
<p>There is no lolipop, no free software, no replacement machine, no free upgrade, no even coupons for music from the stupid iTunes Music Store &#8230; just a promise that in *two weeks* I will have my machine back again without this stupid and highly annoying broken fan noise.</p>
<p>I like to giggle and think about what Steve Jobs would do if this kind of thing happened to his Mac Book Pro.  I can&#8217;t even begin to describe it &#8230; this is a family website :-)  Suffice to say he would be really, really, really mad.</p>
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		<title>By: rajbot</title>
		<link>http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2006/12/27/my-mbp-returns-home-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7817</link>
		<dc:creator>rajbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called again, and after a lot of waiting on the phone the woman from AppleCare said she would remove the hold on the repair. I just checked and the repair is still on hold. How many more hours do I have to spend on the phone to get my machine back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called again, and after a lot of waiting on the phone the woman from AppleCare said she would remove the hold on the repair. I just checked and the repair is still on hold. How many more hours do I have to spend on the phone to get my machine back?</p>
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		<title>By: peliom</title>
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		<dc:creator>peliom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My update today: It looks like the culprit is bad RAM from crucial.  After figuring this out it took three phone calls to crucial to get an RMA number, and they won&#039;t ship the good RAM until they either receive mine or I pay for new RAM.  If I were a normal person my laptop would be out of commission for two weeks, but I&#039;ve got an extra 1GB SODIMM around here somewhere.

Lesson Learned: after installing new RAM, always run Apple Hardware Test (by inserting the restore CD and holding down the &quot;D&quot; key).  It also seems like a good idea to run AHT when you get random filesystem corruption.  I thought it was the hard drive but in fact I think what happened was HFS blocks were read into RAM, got corrupted, and then written back out to disk....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My update today: It looks like the culprit is bad RAM from crucial.  After figuring this out it took three phone calls to crucial to get an RMA number, and they won&#8217;t ship the good RAM until they either receive mine or I pay for new RAM.  If I were a normal person my laptop would be out of commission for two weeks, but I&#8217;ve got an extra 1GB SODIMM around here somewhere.</p>
<p>Lesson Learned: after installing new RAM, always run Apple Hardware Test (by inserting the restore CD and holding down the &#8220;D&#8221; key).  It also seems like a good idea to run AHT when you get random filesystem corruption.  I thought it was the hard drive but in fact I think what happened was HFS blocks were read into RAM, got corrupted, and then written back out to disk&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rajbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>rajbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you believe I&#039;m on the phone with AppleCare again? My repair is still on hold, waiting for a &quot;re-quote&quot;. I was on the phone for an hour yesterday, and gave them a re-quote, but they can&#039;t find it. Unbelievable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you believe I&#8217;m on the phone with AppleCare again? My repair is still on hold, waiting for a &#8220;re-quote&#8221;. I was on the phone for an hour yesterday, and gave them a re-quote, but they can&#8217;t find it. Unbelievable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rajbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>rajbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a technorati search for &#039;applecare&#039; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://keg41.livejournal.com/120317.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this popped up&lt;/a&gt;. I think I get it now.

AppleCare Support Step 1: &quot;That&#039;s not a hardware problem. That&#039;s definitely a software problem.&quot;
AppleCare Support Step 2: &quot;OK, that&#039;s a hardware problem, but you have been abusing your machine! Your warranty is now void.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a technorati search for &#8216;applecare&#8217; and <a href="http://keg41.livejournal.com/120317.html" rel="nofollow">this popped up</a>. I think I get it now.</p>
<p>AppleCare Support Step 1: &#8220;That&#8217;s not a hardware problem. That&#8217;s definitely a software problem.&#8221;<br />
AppleCare Support Step 2: &#8220;OK, that&#8217;s a hardware problem, but you have been abusing your machine! Your warranty is now void.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: may</title>
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		<dc:creator>may</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh what a nightmare :-( they really *REALLY* should send you a new machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh what a nightmare :-( they really *REALLY* should send you a new machine.</p>
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		<title>By: rajbot</title>
		<link>http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2006/12/27/my-mbp-returns-home-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7729</link>
		<dc:creator>rajbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dd_rescue&lt;/a&gt; might be of some use for peliom..

&lt;blockquote&gt;Copying this partition with normal Un*x tools like cat or dd will fail, as those tools abort on error. dd_rescue instead will try to read and if it fails, it will go on with the next sectors. The output file naturally will have holes in it, of course. You can write a log file, to see, where all these errors are located.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/" rel="nofollow">dd_rescue</a> might be of some use for peliom..</p>
<blockquote><p>Copying this partition with normal Un*x tools like cat or dd will fail, as those tools abort on error. dd_rescue instead will try to read and if it fails, it will go on with the next sectors. The output file naturally will have holes in it, of course. You can write a log file, to see, where all these errors are located.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: rajbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>rajbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got off the phone with AppleCare.. peliom got to hear the end part of the ridiculous phone call.

This is the third time that I&#039;ve had to send my machine in to Apple for repair. I called to check on the status, and it was &#039;on hold&#039;. They were not repairing it because they needed some information from me. Hmmm.. Apple Repair has my MBP, what information could I give them? I eventually got connected to someone who could tell me what was going on, and she informed me that when they took the machine apart, they found it had been taking apart before! And that it was missing some screws and maybe something was cut! And this was abuse! Apple wanted to know if it was I who had taken apart and abused the laptop.

No, I said. This is the third time I&#039;ve sent this machine to Apple for repair. Apple is the only one that has taken my machine apart. Apple abused my laptop! Yes, she says, I see you&#039;ve sent in your machine three times this year, so I will write down it was damaged by Apple repair.

Wait, if my machine keeps breaking, and you say it is because Apple Repair has been abusing my laptop, shouldn&#039;t you send me a new one, instead of the same broken one you keep sending me?

Need to talk to someone else... wait on hold... new guy says nope. This is decided on a case-by-case basis. So you aren&#039;t going to replace my macbook that was abused by people at applecare? Nope! So how many times do I have to send it in before it qualifies for a replacement. &quot;Sometimes five... sometimes eight.. it depends&quot;. Well, I&#039;ve had five different problems, with five different case numbers. &quot;No sir. Maybe if you have to send it in again&quot;.

&quot;So, to clarify, Apple will not replace a MacBook Pro that has been abused by other Apple technicians who previously repaired the laptop.&quot;

&quot;That is correct.&quot;

Merry Christmas from Apple!!

2/17 purchase
5/23 first mail-in
6/06 second mail-in (they sent it back with a 100GB drive that only formated to 30GB, which was the problem I complained about. They replaced the logic board, though.)
7/11 battery ballooned up and would no longer fit
11/3 power supply melted
12/19 sent in. Apple says that they found screws missing and physical damage from a previous repair. Classifies this as abuse, but won&#039;t replace laptop.

They still have the laptop, and the repair status is still &#039;on hold&#039;. Who knows when I&#039;ll get it back, but they aren&#039;t trying to repair it. Maybe tomorrow they will start...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got off the phone with AppleCare.. peliom got to hear the end part of the ridiculous phone call.</p>
<p>This is the third time that I&#8217;ve had to send my machine in to Apple for repair. I called to check on the status, and it was &#8216;on hold&#8217;. They were not repairing it because they needed some information from me. Hmmm.. Apple Repair has my MBP, what information could I give them? I eventually got connected to someone who could tell me what was going on, and she informed me that when they took the machine apart, they found it had been taking apart before! And that it was missing some screws and maybe something was cut! And this was abuse! Apple wanted to know if it was I who had taken apart and abused the laptop.</p>
<p>No, I said. This is the third time I&#8217;ve sent this machine to Apple for repair. Apple is the only one that has taken my machine apart. Apple abused my laptop! Yes, she says, I see you&#8217;ve sent in your machine three times this year, so I will write down it was damaged by Apple repair.</p>
<p>Wait, if my machine keeps breaking, and you say it is because Apple Repair has been abusing my laptop, shouldn&#8217;t you send me a new one, instead of the same broken one you keep sending me?</p>
<p>Need to talk to someone else&#8230; wait on hold&#8230; new guy says nope. This is decided on a case-by-case basis. So you aren&#8217;t going to replace my macbook that was abused by people at applecare? Nope! So how many times do I have to send it in before it qualifies for a replacement. &#8220;Sometimes five&#8230; sometimes eight.. it depends&#8221;. Well, I&#8217;ve had five different problems, with five different case numbers. &#8220;No sir. Maybe if you have to send it in again&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;So, to clarify, Apple will not replace a MacBook Pro that has been abused by other Apple technicians who previously repaired the laptop.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That is correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Merry Christmas from Apple!!</p>
<p>2/17 purchase<br />
5/23 first mail-in<br />
6/06 second mail-in (they sent it back with a 100GB drive that only formated to 30GB, which was the problem I complained about. They replaced the logic board, though.)<br />
7/11 battery ballooned up and would no longer fit<br />
11/3 power supply melted<br />
12/19 sent in. Apple says that they found screws missing and physical damage from a previous repair. Classifies this as abuse, but won&#8217;t replace laptop.</p>
<p>They still have the laptop, and the repair status is still &#8216;on hold&#8217;. Who knows when I&#8217;ll get it back, but they aren&#8217;t trying to repair it. Maybe tomorrow they will start&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peliom</title>
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		<dc:creator>peliom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason dd (or imaging the HD with Disk Utility) doesn&#039;t work is because in some cases one or more system files are corrupted and you want/need to re-install Mac OS X.

But perhaps that is just a pathelogical case due to bad hardware.  This morning I&#039;m getting the same HFS file corruption as I was before, even though there is a brand new Seagate drive in my MBP.  Very interesting.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason dd (or imaging the HD with Disk Utility) doesn&#8217;t work is because in some cases one or more system files are corrupted and you want/need to re-install Mac OS X.</p>
<p>But perhaps that is just a pathelogical case due to bad hardware.  This morning I&#8217;m getting the same HFS file corruption as I was before, even though there is a brand new Seagate drive in my MBP.  Very interesting&#8230;..</p>
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